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GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Cornell Plantations/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 23:06, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I will review this article. My review will be posted within the next hour or two. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 23:06, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe this article is quite there yet. There's a lot of work to be done, so I am failing File:Symbol unsupport vote.svg this article. Below are some suggestions for improvement. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 23:40, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
  • This entire article could use a copy edit for tone. Some sections seem to be written, at least in part, in a promotional tone.
  • Are there any more images available? Can an image of the plantation taken prior to 1900 be produced?
  • Add {{convert}} templates wherever possible.
  • This article needs an infobox.
  • "...located adjacent to the Cornell University campus, Ithaca, New York." - Consider revising to "...located adjacent to the Cornell University campus in Ithaca, New York."
  • "It also includes 40 different nature areas covering 4,300 acres of rich and diverse habitats." - Consider removing the "also", as nothing that is included was mentioned prior to this sentence. Also consider removing "rich and diverse", as this does not sound neutral.
  • "Finally, the Plantations maintains four gardens on Cornell's central campus." - Consider revising to "The Plantations also maintains four gardens on Cornell's central campus."
  • The history section seems a bit rushed. It should be expanded to at least three or four paragraphs rather than just two paragraphs.
  • "...Louis Agassiz, an internationally-known naturalist remarked that no other area..." - Consider adding a comma after naturalist.
  • "When the university built is first women's dormitory..." - Change "is" to "its".
  • "...a conservatory for growing plants and also a specimen tree collection." - Consider removing "also".
  • "...Cornell acquired a demonstration forest, near Saranac Lake,..." - Consider removing the commas.
  • "As a part of establishing that school, Cornell acquired a demonstration forest, near Saranac Lake, in the Adirondacks drew heated opposition from neighboring land owners." - This sentence makes little sense, and should be reworded.
  • "...in the Adirondacks drew..." - Who/What are Adirondacks?
  • "Although political opposition caused Cornell to transfer that forest lands under the "forever wild" protection..." - Consider replacing "that" with "the".
  • "In 1935 the university formally established..." - Consider adding a comma after 1935.
  • "...Liberty Hyde Bailey, the Dean of the College of Agriculture proposed the..." - Consider adding a comma after Agriculture.
  • "...although 85% of the Plantations' budget comes from gifts." - For consistency, consider moving the apostrophe between the "n" and the "s", since it was done in the previous sentence.
  • "In the early 1970s the Arboretum was upgraded..." - Consider adding a comma after 1970s.
  • "At the turn of the 21st century..." - Consider revising to "In the 21st century..." or "In the early 2000s..." - early 2000s is ambiguous. "Turn of the century" is an established formulation.</s>
  • "...the Plantations embarked on a construction program which included: Arboretum Center (2000)..." - Consider removing the colon.
  • "Cornell Plantations also manages an additional 1400 ha (3500 acres) of biologically diverse natural areas including bogs, fens..." - Consider adding a comma after areas.
  • "The Plantations operate side by side with Cornell's other programs." - Consider revising to "The Plantations operate side-by-side with Cornell's other programs."
  • "Cornell's academic buildings (which are owned by either the university or New York State (for statutory college buidings))..." - Consider revising to "Cornell's academic buildings, which are owned by either the university or New York State (for statutory college buildings),..."
  • "...statutory college buidings..." - Fix the spelling of building.
  • "The College has the Dilmun Hill Student Farm is a student-run farm that has been practicing sustainable agriculture on Cornell University's campus since 1996." - Consider revising to "The College owns the Dilmun Hill Student Farm, a student-run farm that has been practicing sustainable agriculture on Cornell University's campus since 1996." - NYS owns the farm, I used "operates"
  • "Finally, the College also operates Campus Area Farms comprises 11 different farms and 325 acres in and around the Cornell Campus." - Consider revising to "Finally, the College also operates Campus Area Farms, which comprises of 11 different farms and 325 acres in and around the Cornell Campus."
  • "What distinguishes the Plantations from these other adjacent properties is that the Plantations are open to the public and are designed for both instruction and enjoyment." - This sounds a bit promotional; consider revising to "The Plantations are open to the public and are designed for instruction as well as leisure."
  • "The Plantations provide a venue for a number of annual activities including a celebration of Arbor Day and the Cornell Reunion 5 Mile Run." - Even though it's just one sentence, it needs a source. All paragraphs must have at least one source, and while this is just one sentence, it is separated from the other paragraphs, and should therefore be treated as such.
  • "...a number of annual activities including a celebration..." - Consider adding a comma after activities.

GA Review

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GA review (see here for criteria)

This article has two major problem areas.
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]] b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]] b (citations to reliable sources): [[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg Fail|16px|alt=|link=]] c (OR): [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
    Most of this article relies upon Cornell University publications and websites as a source, and the balance relies upon Cornell-related newspapers and magazines. The lack of fully third-party sourcing is a major shortcoming this article.
    Cornell Daily Sun and Cornell Alumni News are independently owned and operated outside of University control. As a practical matter, the Plantations does not control any media other than its own webpages and official reports. Racepacket (talk) 08:46, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
    I'm very familiar with Cornell University. The student newspaper is independent but may not have a lot of perspective on this particular topic. And the job of the alumni publication is to promote the university and get more alums to donate. I'm not saying they can't be used as sources, but in any case they are only used a handful of times. The point still remains that Cornell's website supplies the large majority of the sourcing for this article, and that this article suffers badly from a lack of diversity of sources and would benefit from ones that have a completely non-Cornell perspective. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:35, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
    I think you have the Cornell Alumni News confused with the Cornell Alumni Magazine or the Cornell Communique or even the Cornell Chronicle. The Magazine and Communique have the job of getting more alumni to donate. The Cornell Alumni News was fiercely independent of the administration, and irritated the administration to no end by its honest coverage. I have looked at the other abroretum articles, they are also mostly sourced from self-published materials. If there were any controversy as to the facts, I would agree with the sourcing concerns. However, we are describing the set of gardens and nature areas, and independent third party sourcing of such undisputed, factual matters is rare. If you have any sources that you feel that I have overlooked, I will be happy to give them careful consideration. Racepacket (talk) 03:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
    What the Cornell Alumni News is doesn't matter in this case, because it isn't cited in the article. The Cornell Chronicle is, which is directly published by the university. I'm not quarreling about the sourcing of undisputed facts, but I am looking for third-party sources that further convey the level of significance of the arboretum. I'll look to see what I can find. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): [[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg Fail|16px|alt=|link=]] b (focused): [[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg Fail|16px|alt=|link=]]
    The article is too shallow in terms of overall perspective and analysis (in large part due to the lack of third-party sourcing). How do the Plantations compare with similar gardens elsewhere? How common is it for universities to run such operations? How high a priority do the Plantations get in Cornell's budget decisions? In contrast, the article is way too deep in terms of excessive detail. The long lists of gardens and nature areas run against WP:NOTADIR. The "Main article: F. R. Newman Arboretum" xref is upside down, meaning the main article is shorter than the section in this article that is supposedly summarizing it.
    That is an argument for expanding the F.R. Newman Arboretum article. Many Universities operate arboretums or have teaching collections. The Cornell Plantations' state-wide scope and unusual collections and geological features (two gorges with waterfalls, a deep glacier-formed lake) are rare. Racepacket (talk) 08:46, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
    The article would benefit from a third-party source that says these things. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:35, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
    I have re-read [WP:NOTADIR]], but it is not clear to me how the article is running against those policies. What change are you recommending? Removal of the bullet list of nature areas? Racepacket (talk) 03:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
    There are two long lists in the article. I'll take a look at other arboretum articles and see how this compares. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias: [[File:Symbol question.svg Don't know|16px|alt=|link=]]
    Hard to know, given the lack of third-party sourcing.
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.: [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]] b (appropriate use with suitable captions): [[File:Symbol question.svg Don't know|16px|alt=|link=]]
    For an article of this nature, more than one image of the subject itself would be desirable.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail: [[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg Fail|16px|alt=|link=]]
    This article would need a major overhaul to reach GA status, and thus placing on hold is not appropriate. (The nominator has recently been indef-blocked, but I had already formulated my view on the GAN before then.)
I question whether the reviewer has sufficient background in horticulture to evaluate the appropriate level of detail for the garden descriptions. Racepacket (talk) 03:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm not a horticulturist, but I have walked through many an arboretum. Again, you raise a good point regarding what similar articles look like. I'll take a look. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
I did not mean to question your good faith and appreciate the edits that you have made. I can only find stubs at other herberia and arboreta. There are no GA/FA models. Although many universities have teaching gardens and/or teaching forests, they have not attracted the attention of serious Wikipedia editors. Some are clear copy and paste from the official websites. Racepacket (talk) 11:02, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Reviewer: Wasted Time R (talk) 15:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Tea with toast (talk) 16:21, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality: [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists: [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources: [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary: [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
    C. No original research: [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects: [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
    B. Focused: [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias: [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
    The overall impression that I have after reading the article is that general tone of the text may be overly praising of the plantation. However, I can find no specific peacock statements and the article does contain sources of criticism, so I do not think it is something that I can deny GA status on account of. However, it might be something that should be looked into further if this article goes for FA review.
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc: [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales: [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions: [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
    While not necessary for GA, I think this article could be improved by adding some sort of map. Because it seems that various lands were donated to the college over time, I wonder if the plantations are continuous or existing in various portions. How close are they to the school and other nearby towns?
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail: [[File:Symbol support vote.svg Pass|16px|alt=|link=]]
    I can see how much this article has progressed since its last GAreview and am impressed by the amount of work that has gone into the article. Good work!
Thanks very much for the review, and good point about a map being useful. Wasted Time R (talk) 17:15, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

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