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What do you think of these? Is this really appropriate for second-tier international championships below the Olympics: Nicaragua at the 2015 World Aquatics Championships? We started with Country at International Championship articles for the Olympics, as well as individual event articles for the Olympics, and now we have a proliferation of country and event articles for games like the FINA championships, Pan Am Games, and Youth Olympics. Most of these articles have very little prose content, and never will; they are perma-stubs. I wonder is if there is not a better way to do this . . . . Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 11:57, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

@Dirtlawyer1: I think they certainly serve a use for continental games and world championships from a national perspective and that is reflected in reader's interest. Nicaragua is an outlier, whereas larger nations tend to have significant content and coverage, such as Canada at the 2015 World Aquatics Championships. My own personal preference would be to begin at a higher logical level e.g. Canada at the World Aquatics Championships. However, I've not had the time to develop these types of articles further, given the large amount of effort required. SFB 01:51, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
I see this problem throughout the sports projects -- editors are simply unable to discern the difference between the United States, Australia, Canada, Great Britain, Brazil, China, France, Germany, Russia, etc., at the 2012 Olympics, and Bahamas, Burundi, Ghana, and Nicaragua, etc., at the 2015 FINA championships. Some editors will cast this difference as an issue of "fairness" in coverage; my reaction is that we don't really need stand-alone articles for countries/national teams that produce two or three B-standard swimmers who don't advance beyond the first round of qualifying heats. How you translate that into an objective notability standard, well, I'm not sure. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:10, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
@Dirtlawyer1: It's not a problem unique to sports – initial coverage for large nations expanding to coverage to all nations goes right across all topic areas (see Burkinabé passport for example). I think it is to do with the mental nature of many Wikipedia editors. Certainly in the category system I see it extending to all closed-group topics where there is differing importance within the group (see for example my comments on medallists here, or the growing area of Category:People by occupation and ethnicity). I don't think it's really to do with a desire for even coverage or avoiding systemic bias: I think it is do to with the fact that many editors either (a) don't see a difference between the topics within a group, or (b) don't consider that real world coverage should have a bearing on Wikipedia coverage (hence novelties like this). I just tend to pick off the most egregious cases, because I know my view point on the whole system is a minority one. Editors who work in such areas often attach a lot of importance to these overly niche articles/categories and I find it's more amenable to all to just let people get on with it and only wade in when the effects worsen the main topic areas. That said, some editors probably don't find Nicaragua at the 2015 World Aquatics Championships any more niche than, say, 100 metres at the Olympics. SFB 12:26, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

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