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Use of German characters in English language articles Gap, I think you should reconsider your recent changes using the German double-s character. The German character is not used in standard English. Per WP:DIACRITICS, unless reliable English language sources use the German character, standard English should prevail in English language articles. I would go so far to say that should be the case unless a majority of current English language sources use the character. Most English language readers are unfamiliar with German characters, and it strikes me as a bit much that we are importing German spelling and characters into English language articles, especially when the surname is mostly commonly rendered in English language sources with two Latin "s" characters. It may be productive to initiate a discussion on the Michael Gross article's talk page to determine consensus, since that article's recent spelling change and page move seems to have initiated this issue. In the interim, I have reverted your changes on the four articles on my watch list (Armstrong, Beardsley, Larson, Vidal), but I have left your other related changes in place for discussion purposes. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:28, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello Dirtlawyer, thanks for messaging me on this. As you already suspected, I did go by the recent change in article title, assuming that an article title results from a well-discussed consensus, especially in the case of a change in the title of an established article, and also that this title is generally the best spelling to use in other articles. Also, the vast majority of the article using the name already used the German character, I just completed the remaining ones for consistency. Either way, I just noticed the 2008 discussion on the talk page and my assumption about a proper consensus was false. Your request to move back the article sounds fair, and considering the arguments I mildly agree with this and I'll comment over there. If the article will be moved back I'll gladly do my share in returning the 'ss' spelling in various articles. Gap9551 (talk) 19:31, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Gap. I did not realize you were a Nederlander until I just looked at your user page. Your written English is better than most of the English language natives who contribute to Wikipedia----you may want to consider upgrading your EN-4 userbox. LOL
On a different, but related topic, I see that you contribute to WikiProject Swimming and work on swimmer biographies. I would be pleased if you would take a look-see at the Florida Gators men's and women's swimmers biographies (two separate categories), and tell me what we could do to expand the content and enhance the sources. I'm hoping you have some good Olympics or FINA references that we could use. Among these University of Florida swimmers are gold medalists Tracy Caulkins, Nicole Haislett and Dara Torres, as well as a bunch of other Olympians. The lesser known swimmers are short on content and references. The big name swimmers' articles have more content, but still lack good sources. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:06, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Thank you!
Sorry for the late response. I'm not really into biographical information apart from results and statistics. Some of the Gators articles do look quite good already compared to the typical swimmer's bio. Perhaps you can take a look at other (American) swimmer's articles to see which sources are used. Gap9551 (talk) 19:19, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

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