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No Nothing "Nothing" exists because we have thought about it. Any existance is substance (whether thought or matter)and therefore is something which negates the true existance of Nothing. Further, if we truly live in a finite universe, it would seem that even outside the confines of the Birth and Death of our known universe, "Nothing" still cannot exist. Certainly No-thing of matter could not exist, but what about non-matter (truth, justice, philosophy, love - knowledge) whose existence would again negate pure Nothing? It would seem that all of existance must never have been. Theology would inject that The Creator has existant something from Nothing (hebrew "bara" - including matter and non-matter)). If this be true, then The Creator's existance truly negates Nothing. I guess the question could be: Can the finite understand the infinite? I certainly can not, but it interesting to think about. BCKenai (talk) 07:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Substance as a philosphical idea is entirely archaic and has been replaced by real science. SpinningSpark 16:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
As far as the history of philosophy goes, SpinningSpark is right, "substance" is an archaic term. However I don't think we should approach Nothing, as a concept, from any historical perspective (i.e. "substance" vs. "real science"), be that even the current perspective, but from an absolute one. That would be one acknowledging that anything is possible and that the current knowledge may well be superseded by future developments. Despite Spark's comment, and presuming that he's the writer/editor of the article, I actually did not find the article historically biased.--Lucian (talk) 13:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
True: as the opposite of anything there is, Nothingness (i.e. "nothing") cannot reside in the world. Meanwhile, if the world is finite, one simply cannot make an assumption on what is the outside of the world like. You can have your beliefs, but you cannot know. Anything you can think of is by default world-alike. You cannot imagine anything else than the forms of matter and force of this world. Thus, one cannot say that Nothingness cannot reside outside of the world either. It can. Anything can, even "nothing". The big question is: is Nothingness true, or just a reification? By true I mean a fundamental, un-divisible element of our datum, such as Pain, Matter, Force, Mortality. Because, if N is true, and since N needed to be outside of the world, then one would have demonstrated the very existence of an outside of the world, or of a point on the fringes of the world that may lead to an outside! That obviously would tie in with many mainstream beliefs among people, including BCKenai's "Creator" mention here, including gods, heaven & hell, nirvana, parallel universes etc., but those beliefs bring no valid argumentation. So the real, big question is: is Nothingness true?--Lucian (talk) 13:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I deny emphatically that I am the author of this article. My only part in it has been to protect the God/Devil fallacy from pro-christian vandals. As always, unable to think logically, they do not realise that one must first believe that God is greater than the Devil for the incorrect conclusion of the fallacy to even have meaning. SpinningSpark 22:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

The talk page is not meant to be a forum for discussion of the article's subject matter. If you wish to make a change, or discuss one, please make it more clear what change you are proposing. Triangl (not signed in) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.133.115 (talk) 15:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

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I think that if someone is not smart enough to understand what "Nothing" means, then they, in turn, won't have enough intelligence to use the Internet and Wiki it. Plus, why is this article even necessary? Because is a Philosophical article? I think this should be deleted. I won't nominated it for deletion, I'm just bringing it to attention that it is a useless article and it doesn't even need to be here. And, who ever thought it was decent to put an atheist joke on wikipedia wasn't thinking there decision through. Do you think the joke might serve a purpose? To help someone better understand the concept of Nothing by making putting a joke in there? Its like putting Muslim jokes on Wikipedia. It doesn't even HAVE to be there. But anyways, its like having an article on "Something", which I have just Wiki'ed and it turns out is a song, album, and apparently something to do with logic. At least its related to math in some way. People, if Philosophers spent there time helping solve problems like world hunger, gas prices, alternitive ways to create energy or fuel, we'd have a lot of the problems solved by now. It just goes to show you, they waste there time debating subjects like, "should nothing be considered a Philosophy?" or, "Is God or the Bible real?" when they could be helping the world. Even modern day Philosophers, like the ones on Wikipedia, could be making better, more important articles instead of these Bull-Crap ones.


Otaku Thief (talk) 14:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Otaku Thief

People, if people who complain on talk pages of admittedly irrelevant subjects spent there time helping solve problems like world hunger, gas prices, alternitive ways to create energy or fuel, we'd have a lot of the problems solved by now.
Fix't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.62.206.252 (talk) 11:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


Yeah, and the same goes for you too buddy. Stop being hypocrite. And please stay on subject and stop insulting people. Thank you.

Otaku Thief (talk) 13:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC)Otaku Thief

Look, my friend: All this "Bull-Crap" philosophy has been around for thousands of years, and whether you appreciate it or not, others will. (I'm trying not to start a feud here... This is stuff Wikipedians have gone over many times before.) If you will never understand the importance of phiosophy, that's fine, and I can't change you. But please: Wikipedia isn't a place for you to tell us all how much you hate philosophy and metaphysics. I don't care your religion (or lack of), but we're for knowlege here, right? Let's keep it that way... And stick to the goddamn topic. I think SpinningSpark did a fine job with the corrections, and pro-Catholic or pro-Satanist, they were sorely needed. If there's anything else wikipedians can do, present it, please. I'd like to know. Please, don't take this as a preaching. I'm just trying to say, stick to the topic (and *cough* wikipedia ain't paper!). Thanks. Now, can we drop this bull, and get back to Nothing? (I will admit, there are a few more corrections to be made... But the article is worth keeping!)

Comfortably numb55 (talk) 05:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


Talk:Nothing sections
Intro  Picture   Word Choice    Possible merge    Something about Nothing   [[Talk:Nothing?section=_Devil_></span>_God_| Devil ></span> God ]]   Existence of God    No Nothing   Nothing  Picture   Vandalism    Another Riddle About Nothing    Does Nothing Exist??   The Observer.    Edit request from 89.242.31.56, 24 May 2010   [[Talk:Nothing?section=_Relevant_Raj_Patel's_\"The_Value_of_Nothing\"?_| Relevant Raj Patel's \"The Value of Nothing\"? ]]  .   What does Nothing look like?    Fallicy of Four Terms example should be nixed    Suffix \"-ness\" in \"nothingness\"    The Search for Nothing    The 2 Nothings    Images    Mathematics Section: \"the word \"nothing\" can be an informal term for an empty set\"   [[Talk:Nothing?section=_Bertrand_Russell,_Gottlob_Frege,_Alonzo_Church_| Bertrand Russell, Gottlob Frege, Alonzo Church ]]   Proposed Article Move    Citation overload   [[Talk:Nothing?section=_Much_Ado_About_Nothing_| Much Ado About Nothing ]]   Alice in Wonderland    About the Michelson Morley experiment (Physics in Nothing article)    Hopefully a message of peace for the nothing is greater than god bit.    Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2014   

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